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Brendan

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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 06:32:23 AM »

Will the trip itinerary be set in advance of the trip, or will the decision be made on or day just before the start date?
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2017, 05:42:23 PM »

Unfortunately the schedule will probably be set either right before leaving or may even change in the middle.  It all has to do with what trails are open and when.  I wish I could give you a better answer. The big question is weather Dusy will be open or not.  I saw on Facebook that there is a chance Spanish might open this year.   

Right now the for sure group is Myself and Crawl from the club. I have a friend Brian and his friend Mike from San Diego coming up. I know Monyman from the club is trying hard to get his schedule cleared so he can attend.  Caboose and Zerlang are maybe for part and or all.

I also have another friend from New Mexico that might be in the area with a different group,  We might run into him out on the trail as well.

Am I missing anyone?
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 10:19:32 PM »

 This actually came as quite a surprise hearing about this on Facebook; rather than being first notified by the SNF. I reached out to Mike Nolen, SNF OHV Program Manager. I asked what this order to just make sure the general public is notified that these trails are not open and cannot be traveled on UNTIL these two trails are all cleared of all resource protection, public health and safety, erosion, mud, washout, undercut tread and fallen trees?

I went on to ask him what the plan is in the coming weeks, so we can work together on getting all the before mentioned work done. The SNF has all us volunteers willing and able to get in there and work to OPEN these trails. We need to be communicated with so we can combine our efforts and make this happen in a collaborative manner. The general public are very upset and feel this is not working in collaboration with the volunteers. Here is Mike Nolen's response to share with everyone:

Mike and All,
I just got off the telephone with Cody Wheeler our Sierra National Forest Law Enforcement Patrol Captain. He writes our Forest Orders and works with Dean Gould, Forest Supervisor, for signature. These Forest Orders have been issued because we are passed our advertised openings for the Swamp and Dusy-Ershim OHV Trails. We are required to do this therefore it is common practice when we miss our opening dates. They have to be written in language that supports law enforcement and in a legal manner to inform the public, our visitors, of what is going happening on the Sierra National Forest. What the Forest Orders don’t state is the following:
• They are TEMPORARY if we can mitigate or eliminate Public Safety and Resource concerns.
• They don’t share how to the public at large how engaged and productive our OHV Volunteer Clubs are in assisting the Forest Service in getting OHV Trails open while mitigating or eliminating both Public Safety and Resource Concerns.
• They don’t share that work to open trails is currently happening and will be on-going.

With that, here is where we are and what is happening in OHV:
• Swamp
o We are going in this Saturday, August 12, 2017 into to remove the remaining trees. Reconnaissance indicated there were 46 trees down across this trail. The trail is cleared and ready to open from the north side to above the Swamp Lake restroom. I will be leading the group with Jim Smith from the Forest Service. John Del Rio is organizing six rigs to assist with the tree removal through the 4WD Club of Fresno.
o I am anticipating the south side of Swamp OHV Trail will get cleared and be ready to open.
o Patrol Captain, Cody Wheeler says it will take (2) days to get a signed Forest Order to open the trail and reverse the closure. He has given me permission to open the Swamp OH Trail on Sunday, August 13, 2017 provided we alleviate Public Safety and Resource concerns the day before.
o The District Ranger, Recreation Officer, Hydrologist and Aquatics Biologist are on board with this.
• Dusy Ershim
o We have a work effort starting on Monday, August 14th and working through potentially the following Sunday.
o Marlin Czajkowski and John Loveall are organizing the logistics for this trip from the volunteer side. We are expecting at least six rigs to go in behind closed gates to work on the trail.
o There may be more help coming in mid-week.
o The Forest Service with Michael Nolen, Tony Borelli, Phillip Mazon, Chad Otto, Mindy McClurg and Jim Smith with be there starting on Monday and coming out on Thursday.
o As reported by Marlin there are 28 trees down on the first 5.7 miles of the trail from the south side.
o Reconnaissance from Ed Fitzpatrick suggests that there are 75 trees down on the entire length of the trail.
o Besides removing trees we have approval to repair/replace two wooden bridges before Trail Shot/Burl Camp coming in from the south side. This approval came from the District Ranger, Recreation Officer, Hydrologist and Aquatics Biologist to accomplish this.
o We are working with our Hydrologist and Aquatics Biologist regarding Ershim Creek. Last winter deposited a major alluvial plane where the trail crosses the creek. We have worked out a solution with our Hydrologist. We need to do the same with our District Ranger, Recreation Officer and Aquatics Biologist. Besides working on a temporary solution to open the Dusy Ershim this summer we are in discussion with a long term solution for Ershim Creek. History has shown Ershim Creek has had erosion issues in the past a number of times. We have photographs supporting this problem dating back several years.
o We are not giving up on opening Dusy Ershim this season, neither should all of you.
o This is not a toad issue it is a resource issues with erosion, 75 trees down on the trail, and a potential public safety problem with two bridges that are in disrepair.
• Spanish
o “My Hat Is Of”f to Ryan Rocha from the Kingsburg Club and Dennis Pierce from Hill Hoppers. Dennis has agreed to have the Kingsburg Club through Ryan finish opening their Adopt A Trail
o Chad Otto and Mindy McClurg are heading in on Saturday, August 12th with Kingsburg Club and at least two rigs
o About a mile and a half there is an erosion problem where two trailer loads of rock should alleviate. This will allow this trail to be open.
• Other
o Staples
 We are in the middle of a Sweco Trail Dozer repair and restoration of the “Staples” creek and area.
 We are creating a pool and drop drainage consistent with most other Sierra Nevada creeks. We are using logs, soil and rock to create a stepped drainage in the “Staples” area.
 We have been supported by our Hydrologist for two days.
 I was out yesterday falling trees and moving log and rocks into the drainage.
 Mike McGarity and I have been talking about removal of all the well casings from the area. The “Staples” themselves have been pulled and the cement removed from their bases through a with a mid-week Volunteer and Forest Service project.
o Website
 Tony Borelli and I will appoint one of our staff to work with our website personnel so we are more accurate with the information shared on the Forest Service site for Motorized Recreation.
 Thanks to those that have informed me of the wrong openings and closings for OHV Trails on our website.
 I apologize for having this communication tool for all of us, especially our public, having been inaccurate in some areas.
o Management of OHV from the Forest Service Perspective
 We have had some oversights in managing the program at times.
• A couple of examples have been not initially analyzing some trails consistent with Poker Run Special Use Permits through our Internal Specialist Scoping Reporting and NEPA processes
o For the Rock Hopper Round Up Poker Run we did not initially analyze Red and Strawberry Lake for the second day of the event
o The upcoming High Sierra Poker Run was not initially analyzed for Swamp OHV Trail event use.
o Our Aquatics Biologist insured that the Rock Hopper Round second day run to Red and Strawberry Lake was legal with her work with Fish and Game.
o She is confident that this will happen for the Swamp Run of the High Sierra Poker Run too.
o With the anticipated Swamp Trail opening this Sunday I will have firsthand knowledge of trees, resource impacts and public safety mitigation on the whole trail.
o Our Aquatics Biologist has saved the new leadership of the OHV Program more than once from internal oversights. She is all about opening trails consistent with a “Federally Listed” Yosemite Toad. We report to the U.S Fish and Wildlife Service as it comes to fish and wildlife on the Sierra National Forest.
o Social Media
 Have you joined the bandwagon with negative communication regarding “The Toad” shutting things down and stopping openings of OHV Trails?
 If you want to create more separation and slow the process down even more by all means continue to do this. Not only will you stress those working positively through the legal processes you are stressing yourself and the OHV community.
 Please consider using your rebellious energy to move things forward by getting educated so we can do the right things for all resource impacts and mitigation solutions so we maintain our OHV trail corridors consistent with our Trails Maintenance Agreement.
 This is me speaking: I love Social Media for sharing positive things about our lives, environment, and our country. It is tiring for me to read all the negative posts about politics, and family struggles. Again for me I am either a part of a solution or a movement in that direction or part of the problem, By whining about issues I take no responsibility for my live and actions. In my opinion this ultimately makes no one happy especially me!
 If you have problems with OHV management bring them to me directly. Most evidently come my way anyway. I can use my energy to open trails or deal with problems and personality issues;
 The OHV community is more important than any individual.
I truly love the dedication and commitment that most of our OHV Volunteers show and share. It drives me personally to want to do more. Mike McGarity, Thank You for sharing and viewing topics in an informed and educated way that speaks to all sides of an issue. I appreciate you!

I Hope This Communication Helps,

Michael Nolen
(Detailed) Off Highway Vehicle Program Manager
Over Snow Vehicle Program
High Sierra Ranger District
Sierra National Forest
(W) 559-855-5355 Ext. 3325
FAX 559-855-5375
E-mail: mknolen@fs.fed.us

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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2017, 08:55:41 AM »

This is a formality since the trails have not opened on the Date stated last year. Swamp should be open by next weekend, Ducey has a bridge out and lots of trees down so it's not for sure yet.
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2017, 08:49:11 PM »

Thanks Jacob for posting that report. Very informative!
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2017, 07:03:34 PM »

1 week and counting!!!!
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2017, 03:33:32 AM »

New schedule.   
Sunday morning start swamp to swamp lake.
Monday. Stay st swamp lake.  Fish hike or relax.
Tuesday. Finish swamp and go into brewer. (Resupply if needed)
Wednesday. Brewer to Coyote. (Resupply if needed.  I will be as I am picking my dad up in Shaver to ride with me the rest of the trip.)
Thursday.  Stay at Coyote.  Hike fish or relax.
Friday.  Coyote to Strawberry to Mirror.  Camp at Mirrior.
Saturday.  Mirror to highway and home. 
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2017, 10:12:24 PM »

How did the adventure trip go?
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2017, 10:17:58 AM »

All my pictures can be found here.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4cYywH

Our trip started Sunday morning.  We met up along Dinkey Creek Road and headed to Swamp Lake.  As soon as we turned off the pavement we all aired down.

IMG_0890 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

In the group was my self in my Ranger, Mike and Ken in the TJ, Brian in the Explorer, and Mike and Zack in the JK.  We made our way up the very dusty forest service roads to the trail head of Swamp Lake trail. We made our way up the trail without much trouble.  The biggest issue was Mike in the TJ started having problems with his front ARB not locking.  But the trail was awesome.

IMG_0897 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0905 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0908 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0914 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Half way to Swamp we did a quick hike over to a private lake called Mud lake and checked it out.

20170827_131653 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Then we made a stop at Grouse lake.  I tossed a fishing line in real quick and caught a small trout on the first cast.

20170827_160048 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

After Grouse Lake you climb to the highest point on the trail of about 9600 ft.  On the way down to Swamp lake is a mine on the side of the mountain.

IMG_0917 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2017, 10:44:32 AM »

We made our way down to Swamp lake at 9000' and setup camp.  We had the entire lake to ourselves.  I went down to the lake and caught a few trout.

IMG_0923 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0922 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0921 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

The next day was a relaxing day of no wheeling. Some people hung out at the lake and relaxed.  Myself, Zack and JK Mike decided to hike to the top of Three sisters peak.  We are starting at 9000 feet. The peak is at 10612 feet and there is no trail.  So we set off back up the trail and around the lake.  This is looking out part way up at Swamp lake.  We are camped just to the left of the rocks at the top side of the pictures.

20170828_092334 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Another view looking down on Swamp part way up.  The small lake on the left is Little Doris Lake

20170828_101708 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Made it to the top.

20170828_120546 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Signed the book and a picture of the lake where we started from.

20170828_120426 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

A 360 degree picture from the top.  The two lakes on each end are the same and more on them later.  Just left of center is Courtright reservoir where Dusy Ershim trail starts.  Just to the right of center is Swamp lake.

20170828_115824 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

We hiked back down and all said took us maybe 6 hours.  A bit later a few of my friends wheeled in Monday and spent the night with us.  Unfortunately I didn't get pictures of them.


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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2017, 11:21:17 AM »

Tuesday we packed up camp and were planning on heading to Brewer lake to camp for the night.  We made it about 200 feet from camp to a pretty good climb and JK Mike broke a driver rear axle shaft.

IMG_0928 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

To get it all apart we ended up having to pull all but the pinion from the axle housing.  The broken axle shaft wedged itself in the locker.  we had to pull the e-locker apart to  get the piece out.

20170829_173245 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Thru the use of Ham radios we were able to get a hold of JK Mike's dad in town he located a Yukon alloy shaft and misc parts we needed for the repair and brought them up the mountain.  I wheeled out to the paved road and back in with the replacement parts.  I had to stop and take a few pictures in one spot.  Always fun wheeling solo.

IMG_0926 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0927 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

By the time I got back with the replacement parts it was around 430 pm.  We reassembled the Jeep and resetup camp and stayed at Swamp one more night.


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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2017, 11:39:09 AM »

Wednesday morning we packed up camp and headed out the plan was now to skip Brewer Lake and go into town for gas and ice then head to Coyote lake.  When working on the JK yesterday it was found that the other shaft had twisted splines and was ready to break anytime.  We didn't discover the second shaft till it was to late to get a second shaft on the same day. So the plan was for my wife to pickup the other side shaft and bring it up the mountain with her.  She was bringing my Dad up who was going to ride with me for the rest of the trip.  So Mike took off early from camp solo and headed for town.  If he had any problems we would catch him on the trail  He made it to town, got the parts and on a pullout on the side of the road swapped out the passenger side shaft.

We all made it to town topped off and headed to Coyote.  On the way to Coyote we stopped at Red lake on the way.  Here is an older picture of one of my previous trips of Red lake.

  20160630_144628 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

We continued passed Red Lake and on to Coyote.  We get about 200 yards from Coyote lake at the last hard spot and JK Mike tells me he keeps feeling a thud under his feet.  As he pulls forward I see that the driverside link mount brackets are broken and swinging on the frame.  We start determining the best way to get a welder up to fix the problem.  As I pull into Coyote lake I notice the first camp is taken.  On the second take I notice it is Sean (4x4junkie) from this site camped there with his friends.  I have met him up there the last two years and camped with them.  I go over to and talk to him and find out he has a welder in his BroncoII.  We setup camp and planned to fix the Jeep Thursday morning.

Thursday we get up and tear the Jeep apart to get the bracket off.  Here is the busted bracket.

IMG_0933 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Prepped straitened and ready to be welded back together.

IMG_0934 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

We slapped the bracket back in and did a nice walk around Coyote Lake.

IMG_0931 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0932 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

IMG_0935 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr
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Re: 7 days, 4-7 trails who is up for an adventure?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2017, 12:03:50 PM »

Friday we got up and decided to go on another hike into the Dinkey Creek Wilderness. We left Coyote lake and hiked a few miles south to our First lake called First Dinkey lake.  As look at the picture you will see three peaks in the back ground.  Those are Three Sisters Peaks.  The one we on Monday was the one on the left in the below picture.  you can see this lake in the picture I posted earlier.  I fished the lake for about 20 minutes.  I caught one and lost another.

20170901_110127 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

We left First Dinkey Lake and headed to South Lake

20170901_114913 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Then we hiked to Swede Lake.

20170901_121921 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

Then headed back to First Dinkey lake and back over to Camp at Coyote.  JK Mike decided to pack camp and head home.  He was in a wedding the next day so he didn't want risk making it home in time.  Once he got back to pavement he reached me on Ham radio to let me know that he made it off the trail and the lift bracket on the passenger side was starting  to break on the front suspension.  Fortunately he he made it home that night without incident.

Saturday we packed up camp and made our way out.  We made quick work past Red Lake.  Instead of heading strait out we decided to do a quick trip over to West and Strawberry lakes.  The trails to each is not very hard but they are dusty and bouncy.

We made it to West and and I didn't take any pictures there.  Then we went over to Strawberry lake.

IMG_0948 by Matthew Dresselhaus, on Flickr

While at West Brian was showing me his modified steering shaft.  I noticed the fan was also rubbing on the shroud.  a quick look around and noticed the passenger motor mount bolt snapped on the top.  A length of chain and a bolt was wrapped around the mount to hold it on the way out.  We made it back to pavement and back to reality.  It had been a great week of fun adventure and relaxation.  I made the two hour drive home.  Brian and TJ mike drove down the mountain to stay the night in town and leave for San Diego Sunday morning.  You can read more about Brians adventure on the way home here.

  Bkennedy's SAS and Modification Thread



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